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1740932 No.1740932 [Reply] [Original] [archived.moe]

before you /sci/entists argue yourself to death, I really want to know- in the sense of analysis of a system, why are we here. Why do we exist. I don't care about evolution or creation, that's HOW

I want to know WHY. Even if it's just your opinion.

>> No.1740938
Quoted by: >>1740959

That's philosophy and I want to believe it belongs to /lit/

>> No.1740947
Quoted by: >>1740955 >>1740961

Science is a dogmatic approach used to uncover how the material world works.

Basic things like happiness or good cannot be qualified or quantified by the scientific approach.

We are here to do Good. That should be obvious. The ultimate good one can do is to sacrifice yourself for good. That is what we are here for.

>> No.1740955
Quoted by: >>1740961

>>1740947
where does his concept originate?

is it innate within us, or somehow a handed-down fact of society

>> No.1740958
Quoted by: >>1740972

>>OP

What kind of Why are you asking OP?

Are you looking for an antecedent future reason, a purpose?

Or are you looking for a precedent past cause, or intention?

Elaborate on what you mean by Why.

Or a pre

>> No.1740959
Quoted by: >>1740975

>>1740938
science began as philosophy

>> No.1740961
Quoted by: >>1740976 >>1740982

>>1740955
>>1740947

That is rationalism and it doesn't belong in /sci/.

>> No.1740972

>>1740958
something that ties our current and past together with a future

a purpose, in a manner of speaking

>> No.1740975
Quoted by: >>1740996

>>1740959

And chemistry began with alchemy. Does that mean we should start discussing alchemy? How about astrology?

>> No.1740976
Quoted by: >>1740989

>>1740961
Neither does "Why are we here" dummy. It's a philosohical question, so it gets a philosophical answer. Stop being obtuse.

>> No.1740982
Quoted by: >>1741002

>>1740961
define rationalism, and why it does not belong in /sci/

>> No.1740987
Quoted by: >>1741019

there is no why. we're the result of random chances, and the laws of physics and evolution, and that's awesome.

If you want a reason to live your life, find one for yourself. you don't just get to have a purpose handed to you, you have to go find it, and yours quite likely won't be the same as another persons.

>> No.1740989

>>1740976

The entire thread is inappropriate for this board.

>> No.1740996

>>1740975
maybe... we should

everything divergent may come back together in the future

>> No.1741002

>>1740982

Rationalism is the conflicting branch of philosophy to empiricism from which science was born. It is quite literally the antithesis of science.

>> No.1741019

>>1740987
I... I can't?

I've always looked for an answer, a reason for being, hoping that it would be larger than myself, larger than humanity, universal in some sense. Perhaps this stems from a fear of death, or fear not existing

>> No.1741037

could there really be no reason at all?

>> No.1741044

we're just playing a game

that's why we're here

the whole bible could be adequately replaced with "GL HF :)"

>> No.1741053

>>1741044
but we lose, and we die... and then we are nothing...

I really could be ok with a lack of purpose, if I knew somehow, some part of us and everything we do with our lives lived on...

>> No.1741054
Quoted by: >>1741086

We are a way for the universe to know itself.

>> No.1741056
Quoted by: >>1741086

to assert that a species that inhabits a practically infinitesimal portion of the universe has any kind of explicit purpose is to take an unwarranted human-centric view of the universe. you are just an animal. you eat and defecate and socialize just like any other member of any other species. your brain is just little bit bigger compared to the rest of your body, and your thumb moves a bit unusually.

there is no why. you are your own god.

>> No.1741060 [DELETED] 

>>1741044

lol, I like this reply a lot

>> No.1741062
Quoted by: >>1741086

Hey captain, you a boardsie?

>> No.1741066

>>1741044

For some reason when I read the bible "have fun" was not the message I got from it.

>> No.1741068

>>1741044

agreed

>> No.1741070
Quoted by: >>1741107 >>1741191

>>OP
All of your questions in effect are asking why are we here, what is our purpose, what is the meaning of life, what is the purpose of life.

Implicit in all of it is that there is a meaning to life. This implies the existence of a creator, a designer, who made life with a purpose in mind. I do not believe in such a creator, so your question does not make sense to me.

Why do I continue living? Why do I do anything that I do? Because I find it pleasurable, and my brain has been hardwired to do pleasurable things.

PS: One of those pleasurable things is not being evil. I do not take glee in hurting, raping, stealing, etc. Thus I consider myself a moral person.

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1741073
Quoted by: >>1741104

I love /sci/, but too much arrogant douche-baggery.
Philosophy is the beginning of Science you cuntrags. You can't test an idea without coming up with one first, and you can't come up with one unless you shoot the shit with your friends or your mind about all kinds of crazy questions. Reality is not compartmentalized; everything flows into everything. Quit being douches when someone wants to Create rather than Process.

>> No.1741085

disregard previous post, that was meant as a new post, not a reply to this

>> No.1741086

>>1741062
no, and i don't know what that is

>>1741054
this sounds so beautiful... like we're fractals

>>1741056
how can I be my own god? how can i make sense of this chaotic universe

>> No.1741089

>>1741066

it did have some rather upsetting parts

>> No.1741101

>>OP

I think it's a learning experience, more or less.

>> No.1741104

>>1741073

Based on your use of insult and obscenity I would say that you are the only one being a douche. The others objections were just as valid a viewpoint as yours is, yet you are the only one resorting to name calling.

>> No.1741107

>>1741070
but i cannot admit to being nothing more than an animal

>> No.1741110

>>1741066

this makes me lol

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1741122
Quoted by: >>1741138

The how of our existence doesn't come prepackaged with a "why". When you're born you just are. It is up to YOU to find purpose in your own existence.

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1741137
Quoted by: >>1741153

>>OP

>Why are we here?

Your questiosn dont make anysense. You are personifiying the universe, assume there must be a logical "why", LIKE COMMON HUMAN SHIT. GTFO!

>> No.1741138

>>1741122
so what you're saying is

why is not in the domain of logic
so logic can't help me to know why

>> No.1741140

IMO, we're here to evolve (not necessarily via Darwinian evolution, I have some qualms with his ideology although the amount of work he did is very impressive)

>> No.1741148

>>1741066For some reason when I read the bible "have fun" was not the message I got from it.

GL HL SPTDFRS

Good luck, have fun, stone people to death for random shit

Anyone know what the chances are that what the people that wrote the New Testament thought came from Christ were actually just Hillel's teachings?

>> No.1741149

TO BE HONEST....I WISH I KNEW!

>> No.1741153
Quoted by: >>1741194

>>1741137
not personifying it, subjectifying maybe

>> No.1741156
Quoted by: >>1741168

I ask myself this question roughly 24 times a day.

>> No.1741157

>>1741138
No, "why" is a human question. You aren't given a "why" but you have the ability to create a "why".

>> No.1741159

>>1741138

I think he means the why is up to you. Like when you got to the store it's up to you to decide why you are there. Do you want to buy some milk? Do you want to hit on a cashier? It's up to you.

>> No.1741160

to love each other

>> No.1741167

in the words of carl sagan... we are a way for the universe to know itself.

>> No.1741168
Quoted by: >>1741202

>>1741156
lol i get high and my brain tries to comprehend my existence until i get a headache/fall asleep

>> No.1741169
Quoted by: >>1741179

I don't beleive we could ever know why we are here, which I find both amazing and utterly depressing.

>> No.1741179

>>1741169

I've felt similarly at times.

>> No.1741189

i rack my brain endlessly thinking there could be some kind of mathematical equation or analysis done which would explain our existence up to this point... fractals right...

I mean we are here right? we deserve to know why. I mean, i didn't ask to be alive, i'm just asking why.

>> No.1741191

I think several in this thread are going in circles, but they mean to end up here:
>>1741070
Please go reread.

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>>1741138
>>1741153

No, Im saying you are a Faggot.

>Why are we here?

isn't a fucking valid question. There is no answer, that you want to hear, or will make sense to you. It is too grand of a scale, for you to understand.

We are here because of the Least action pinciple, our existance minimimzed the largaianian density on the time evolution of the univsere, it is all fucking math!

THAT IS WHY THE FUCK WE ARE HERE. DO YOU FEEL BETTER NOW?
NO? THEN GTFO!

\Thread

>> No.1741201

42

>> No.1741202

>>1741168
I rarely give it any thought, then every once in a while I'll think about it and yeah...get a headache and go to bed.

>> No.1741205
Quoted by: >>1741229

We are here to defeat the remnant guerillas, to reverse the rapid warming effect, to tame the north american rainforest and to reclaim former cities and suburbs wherever possible.

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>>1741194

>> No.1741216

>>1741194
WHY DOES HE HAVE TUBES ON HIS ARMS? WHAT DO THEY MEAN NIGGA

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>>1741194
agreed

>> No.1741220
Quoted by: >>1741238

whatever

i don't believe in god, but i believe that im here for a reason... even if i have to find/make it

>> No.1741229
Quoted by: >>1741247 >>1741251

>>1741205

North America has a rain forest?

>> No.1741236
Quoted by: >>1741250

so officially now, to troll /sci/ just ask why?

>> No.1741238

>>1741194
yeah, the reason is this >>1741220

If you stop being a faggy little kid, you might learn somthing from that guy.

>> No.1741247
Quoted by: >>1741252 >>1741292

>>1741229
Yes, the only temperate rain forest in the world. It's in the Pacific Northwest.

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1741250
Quoted by: >>1741260

>>1741236
No, officially you are a faggot

>>1741194 is the answer to your question
To troll /sci/ just ignore posts like you have been

>> No.1741251

>>1741229

we have rainforest here in washington state. its not like the amazon but it rains like a madcunt all the time. up to 15 feet of rain per year in some parts of the olympic peninsula.

>> No.1741252

>>1741247

Wow, that's the most informative thing in this entire thread. Thank you.

>> No.1741260

>>1741250
NO U!!!!!

>> No.1741265
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1741265

>Why do we exist?

Simple answer: to process information.

If you look back at history, we can observe an exponential increase in our ability and efficiency of processing data about the physical world.

>> No.1741280

>>1741265

define information

and how do you weigh it?

>> No.1741282
Quoted by: >>1741316

>>1741265
for what purpose do we do that?

>> No.1741292

>>1741247

>>Yes, the only temperate rain forest in the world. It's in the Pacific Northwest.

The entirety of North America is now blanketed in a subtropical wilderness. GE flora seeded everywhere in order to counteract desertification.

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Quoted by: >>1741316

>>1741265

This is the fundamental organizing principle of nature it seems: the formation of ever more complex organisms in response to evolution-induced mastery of the natural laws of physics.

>> No.1741315

>>1741194
>We are here because of the Least action pinciple, our existance minimimzed the largaianian density on the time evolution of the univsere, it is all fucking math!
Again, this is HOW we are here, not why.

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1741316
Quoted by: >>1741349

>>1741282

See:>>1741298

I don't know. But it seems life on this planet has been on a path of self-discovery ever since simple protein molecules figured out a way to make crude copies of itself.

>> No.1741318

By the by, I made a thread as requested but it seems to have been overlooked:

>>1741275

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>>1741194
good answer

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>>1741316

This molecule has since then "taught" itself the fundamental laws that govern the universe, for instance, look at the evolutionary development of the eye organ.

How does a single, primitive protein, through time, come to "understand" the properties of light and electrochemical conductivity, in order to create a biological equivalent of a CCD matrix...

It is completely amazing.

>> No.1741361

The atheist believes that there is absolutely no purpose for existence.

Anyone who believes that there is a reason we are here is, whether they know it or not, a theist.

We are here to do good. Do you want to know how I know that? Everyone does what he considers to be good. One cannot do what one believes is bad. It is impossible. If one does it, then one does not believe it is bad.

The problem is that the atheistic viewpoint cannot answer one simple question: What am I? Very few people know what they really are. But this question can be answered with a scientific approach. Observation, inquiry, curiosity, wonder, speculation, logic, etc.

Once you know what you are, then you have the tools to determine everything else you need to know in life.

Before you know what you are, you take for granted that you know what you are.

What you are can only be determined from the first person perspective. No one else can tell you what you are.

>> No.1741377
Quoted by: >>1741397

OP is just tripping like a fag, check it out.

When a child dies the mother typically yells "oh Why did this happen?! "

She doesn't want a car scientist to explain to her how her son died in the accident and what forces were involved, she instead is just expressing her despair at the universe.

Our OP is in a similar situation. He doesn't actually want an answer, this is just his way of going "oh shit I'm alive!!!!!!!! wtf?!!?!"


Whatever answer we supply can always be further analyzed with another "WHY" ad infinitum

>> No.1741397

>>1741377

>car scientist

>> No.1741503

>>1741138
not neccassarily just not for that question, there is no grand reason why we are here, there doesn't need to be, you can make a reason to live, you can find a reason to live, you can make up a reason to live and believe whatever you like, but there is no grand scheme of why we are here,

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