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Quoted by: >>1920550 >>1920582

This is what I think androids in the future will look like in order to sidestep the Uncanny Valley. What does /sci/ think?

>> No.1920436

STOP TRYING TO STEAL MY SOUL!

>> No.1920487
Quoted by: >>1920521

Oh, great. Now Skynet will have the power of moe on it's side when it sets out to exterminate humanity.

>> No.1920521

>>1920487
I for one welcome our animatronic anime figurine overlords.

>> No.1920532

gb2/jp/ weaboo faggot

>> No.1920548
Quoted by: >>1920562

That isn't sidestepping the uncanny valley, that's a giant leap that lands right in the middle.

>> No.1920550
Quoted by: >>1920562

>>OP
When you put it like that it's not so much a valley as it is an uncanny canyon.

>> No.1920562
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Quoted by: >>1920583

>>1920550
>>1920548
Where would you say it falls on this chart?

>> No.1920582

>>OP
I know I should ignore your trolling attempt, but that thing is just fucking wrong

>> No.1920583
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>>1920562
Just above some of the creatures from Bioshock.

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Quoted by: >>1920644 >>1921007

I think something like this would look better...

>> No.1920644

>>1920603
I would be comfortable seeing one of those in Japan. Outside of Japan I would shoot first and ask questions later.

>> No.1920686

a must see.... Robostarlet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcZJqiUrbnI&feature=player_embedded

>> No.1920726

>>1920686
I'd say there's absolutely no question that the japs will make a highly realistic android before long.

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Quoted by: >>1920871

I think make them look small and with a childlike way of talking would make them less scary and more adorable.

>> No.1920871
Quoted by: >>1920986

>>1920867
I forgot the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NegLUk7BnH0

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Quoted by: >>1920986

me want!

>> No.1920986

>>1920919
I think Papero >>1920871 is the closest we have today to an anthroPC

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>>1920686
>>1920603
I don't know why, but somehow life-sized androids doesn't appeal to me as much as i thought, but strangely if it was a typical 1/6th scale size i'm fine with that

Image related

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>>1921007
Sumomo all the way!

>> No.1921036

>>1921007
I'm actually not bothered by this.

>> No.1921062
Quoted by: >>1921114 >>1921151

>>1921007
Dang, i think i lost my link to this youtube video, where this guy had a robot (kotoko look alike) make coffee.

>> No.1921114
Quoted by: >>1921182

>>1921062
Found it. All I entered in was "robot make coffee" into the search bar and it was the first result that showed up.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ft6gNYh0Xk

>> No.1921151
Quoted by: >>1923697

>>1921062
OOOh, found it with some effort
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejROvUC-gWU
I seriously want one of these. Preferably with a gothic loli look.

>> No.1921182

>>1921114
lol oops.... I actually went to translate coffee to japanese and searched コーヒー robot

>> No.1922457

bump

>> No.1922486 [DELETED] 
Quoted by: >>1923691

Only the cheapest hard AI MyGirlfriends look that bad.

Who would take that out in public? I mean it's a certain kind of invalid who takes a MyGirlfriend on "dates" in the first place but I figure you'd at least want one that's high grade enough for plausible deniability.

>> No.1923691

>>1922486
It comes to questioning when robots have thoughts of their own and could make their own decisions; that blurs out the whole "Robot Dating" thing.

Though i do agree society will push robot-romance away, but eventually like gay rights, it'll be a highly debatable question

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>>1921151
what the fuck am I watching

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>>1920686
it's got man hands

>> No.1924177

Sex loli cat girls please!

>> No.1924759

robot bump

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My question is, how will we build one? Maybe we could have an elastic rubber skin manipulated by whisker-like rods around the mouth, or we could simply use an electroactive polymer for the skin with the necessary electrical charge supplied by electrically conductive metal plates underneath it. As for the skeletal structure of the face, it would probably look something like this.
Pic: 1/2

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Quoted by: >>1926505 >>1929812

>>1926470
Pic: 2/2

>> No.1926505

>>1926474
Well I'll be damned if that isn't the cutest little skull I ever saw.

>> No.1926662

>>1926470
Maybe make it with artificial muscles? How about make it a cyborg organism controled by a computer? We already can control rats and use animal neurons to control robots...

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>>1926470
Typical Robotic interior with "life like texture ;_;" external skin, hair as heat sink?
I hear a company called Hanson Robotics has some somewhat life-like robotic heads in development.

but i question: why make something to look-human-like when we just need human-like-responses to fool the brain that we're talking with a human? same idea as texting, talking on discussion boards and playing MMO's, we can't see the "person", but we (hopefully) know that the person i'm talking with is human

for androids, either make them 100% like human, from movement to facial hair to begin with, or don't bother at all

image related, my view of an android

>> No.1927051
Quoted by: >>1928706

>>1926716
Robots like yours are fine but lonely people would like a huggable robot (or even a fuckable robot!) I myself would want a fuckable lolicatgirl, but I don't want just a sexdoll, I want something that I could interact and talk with.

>> No.1928697

bump

>> No.1928706
Quoted by: >>1928745

>>1927051
It's called a girlfriend with cat ears.

>> No.1928719
Quoted by: >>1928731 >>1928788

>>1926716
I agree, I never could understand why they don't focus on AI and movement instead of looks

>> No.1928731

>>1928719
The ones who do aren't popularized by the media. It's also much harder, so people flock to the subjective, five-million-approaches problem of visual appearance.

>> No.1928745

>>1928706

>loli

>> No.1928762

Is it wrong that all I want out of autonomous life is battle droids?

>> No.1928778
Quoted by: >>1929066

>>1920686
Sigh...soon we'll have robots as our actors and musicians.

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Quoted by: >>1928894

>>1928719
hmmm, walking seems to be having improvement (ever since the 4-legged-dog one atleast)

(somewhat) fluid 2-legged walking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CQ5AKaEi3U
I say another 5~10 years for a decent "walking" one?

but yet again, as >>1928719 says, more funding for THE HEART & SOUL please!

Btw, once we do achieve 100% indistinguishable human like appearances, would any government party require all androids to have a certain "identification" such that you'll know it's an android and not human? like the ears in To Heart, Chobits and Halo Rings in Time of Eve?

>> No.1928894
Quoted by: >>1929034

>>1928788
>(somewhat) fluid 2-legged walking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CQ5AKaEi3U

This is quite good also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja_UsmXVPVk&feature=channel (from the same company who made that 4-legged-dog)

>> No.1929034

>>1928894
they walk the same as robots in any sci-fi film. It's scary.

>> No.1929066

>>1928778
actors no, musicians.. quite possible.
It would be difficult for an android to successfully express the emotional output existing in the body language of an actor. The same can be said for some music but that doesnt mean a computer couldn't design a pattern of notes...

>> No.1929067
Quoted by: >>1929077 >>1929084

this thread is old and stupid

kill it please

>> No.1929077

>>1929067
You are old and stupid
Someone please kill this guy

>> No.1929084

>>1929067
>This is my board. Don't post anything I don't like or I'll kick you out.

>> No.1929108

Guess what? They already made a real android based on the appearance of Holon, the android character from Real Drive.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjLMMS2oP_U
Personally I think that the plastic hair was a bit much. A wig styled to look similar to her hair in the show would have been better.
>>1926716
There are two options to making robots, either make them photorealistic or make them stylized. Photorealism is much harder to do with robots because unless we get it just right, it will slide back into the uncanny valley. If we make them more stylized, that is we make them more like caricatures of humans (ie cartoonish) then they will not seem creepy no matter how stiff or unnatural their movements are.

>> No.1929111
Quoted by: >>1929119

If you guys have seen this, I was impressed by this move
<<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcZJqiUrbnI&feature=player_embedded

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Quoted by: >>1929194

>>1929111
forgot pict

>> No.1929194
Quoted by: >>1929215

>>1929119
japanese robots don't impress me. Not compared with boston dynamics stuff anyway.

>> No.1929215

>>1929194
Its like they grabbed disney robots and made them completely creepy

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Quoted by: >>1929293

I wouldn't mind if androids looked like persecoms from Chobits in the future

>> No.1929252

>>1926470
I forgot to mention the design of the eyes. The eyes would contain a camera with a lens the size of a pea that would serve as the pupil. The eyeball will be wrapped in electronic paper and the iris around the pupil will be an image generated by this e-paper so it can shrink or expand allowing for more diverse anime-style expressions. The eyeball will then be encased in either transparent plastic or glass to give it a natural-looking sheen. It is also important to note that making the eyes or irises too big will cause it too fall right back into the uncanny valley. In GMod they have a few anime character models. A few models that someone made of Makoto Ito and Kotonoha Katsura from School Days ended up creeping me out in that the eyes and their irises took up a good portion of the face, while the models of Sekai Saionji and the models from xenoasiam's PASKAL pack ended up looking fine as their eyes and irises were a bit smaller.

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Quoted by: >>1929741

>>1929222
Heck i won't mind if it was just a computer screen with a girl inside; better yet, with current AR tech development, we could eventually have a higher dimension of interaction with our waifus

main point: it should respond to me as if she was real; if making the android body was like making a cheesecake, building the "mind" will be the Manhattan project

throwing in some Rainbow Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBnAZ9oFtwY

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Quoted by: >>1929766

>>1929293
Yeah, I down't know why they make robots with creepy faces when they want a robot capable of expressing emotions instead of just use a screen with a cartoony/animeish face

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>>1929741
Something like this would be much more better looking than >>1929741

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>>1926474
>52 change to her face
>52 muscles in the human face
<--my face

>> No.1930789

bump over the trols and homework threads

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