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Hey /sci/,
How do you imagine the future of the human race ? (Technology/science/governments/etc..)

I hope it will be about pragmatism and intelligence, some kind of technocracies without human selfishness and stupidity.

>> No.1925419
Quoted by: >>1925424 >>1925469

Everyone/everything dead

AI rules sol

everythingwentbetterthaniecpected.jpg

>> No.1925424
Quoted by: >>1925430

>>1925419
>everythingwentbetterthaniecpected.jpg
>ecpected

>> No.1925430

>>1925424

Yup, that's how it's speled.

>> No.1925437
Quoted by: >>1926649

There will be a much larger stupid/working class and smaller, more elite, ultra powerful groups which need to go into hiding because of the implications of their control/natural job. Ultra elite social structures will be hidden from the general public and even from lower level elites.

High level elites will have their own followers and most likely, in the next 50 years, protective exoskelleton suits with high power that only million,billion, trillion, and quadrillionares (most likely money that isn't theirs directly but command) can afford.

>> No.1925454
Quoted by: >>1925527

I don't want everyone dead. I expect a fucking big jump of the average intelligence of people (like 130 or more). With that, new technologies to travel in space and expand our home in the solar system and beyond. I would have loved to be a space prospector or explorer. I should have born 100 years later.

>> No.1925469

>>1925419
This.
The current state of things with the madman bound only by his word and rank holding the trigger to weapons that will destroy the planet doesn't bode well.

>> No.1925479

>>OP
We reach type I on the Kardashev scale and continue to progress in science at a geometric rate.

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Quoted by: >>1925493

inb4 nihilist fatalist emo teenager who thinks he has it all figured out

Oh and on topic, pic related.

>> No.1925493

>>1925484
That's a pretty damn late inb4
Oh and a lot of tweenagers do have more shit figured out if you're resorting to ad hominem stereotyping.

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1925501
Quoted by: >>1925522

First, nuke everything from china to africa (sandniggers included), then repartition of the 2 billion people left on these new empty places full of resources, then ???, and then profit.

And of course, religions are forbidden.

>> No.1925511

Hopefully, the currently developed nations of the world will continue to develop, moving into space and working on megastructures to get us up there easier. The crappy places to live will continue to try and immigrate to the developed nations, and the African shitholes will continue to be fucked around with by corrupt dictators.

>> No.1925522

>>1925501
>nuke everything then plant people back in the same shitty places but now thoroughly irradiated.
Enjoy your mutated sand niggers again in 10years.

>> No.1925525
Quoted by: >>1925543

>>OPI hope it will be about pragmatism and intelligence, some kind of technocracies without human selfishness and stupidity.

bahahahahahahahahahaha

>American economy collapses just before peak oil, insufficient alternative alternate energy
>Muslims overrun Europe
>China closes borders, become more of a police state
>1000 year dark age

>> No.1925527
Quoted by: >>1925550 >>1925551

>>1925454I expect a fucking big jump of the average intelligence of people (like 130 or more).

And this jump in intelligence will be cause by?

>> No.1925543

>>1925525
OP here. Yeah that was some kind of dream. I'm pretty pessimistic for our short/mid-term future too. And I'm pretty sure people will continue to act like total douche-bags.

>> No.1925547
Quoted by: >>1925554

for a board of smart people, you all are pretty fucking stupid.

When somebody makes a rational argument for the future, I'll listen.

>> No.1925550

>>1925527
5 hour viagra

It'll hit the stores in a few years or so.

>> No.1925551

>>1925527
A mistake. I should have said "I hope there will be a..."
My bad.

>> No.1925554

>>1925547
>When somebody makes a rational argument for the future, I'll listen.
Like what ?

>> No.1925568
Quoted by: >>1925605

>>OP
>implying selfishness is bad

Anyways this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLMn3_SzBiU

This is the only acceptable way for us to be.....

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1925578

1/3

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>>1925578

2/3

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1925584

>>1925581

>> No.1925605

>>1925568
I'm ok with this

>> No.1925613
Quoted by: >>1925716

>>1925578
>>1925581
>>1925584
Long but great. :)

>> No.1925622

>>1925584

>beast-headed woman

Business as usual.

>> No.1925716

>>1925613

Thank you >;3~~

>> No.1925722
Quoted by: >>1926656

>>OP
Future? Go watch the movie "Idiocracy". That's the direction things are going.

>> No.1925764

1.

a) The consumer-based economy model is insustainbable in the long-term. Humanity is restructured in a more spartan society where people with what they need and operate as much tech as they need. Tremendous leap in technology in order to increase productivity.

b) Consumer-based model is capable of sustaining mankind, we expand into the universe with eyes full of greed.Tremendous leap in technology in order to satisfy consumer demand.


2.

a) FTL is possible, we cruise the galaxy and beyond.

b) FTL is impossible, we travel between the starts for years, decades, centuries. However centuries would be a neglectable period when you live hundreds of thousands of years (no aging). Probably sleeper ships.

3. Due to advances in robotics people no longer do manual work - robots clean, cook, build. Humans are designers, scientists, politicians, artists.

4. Over 90% recyclebility.

5. No pan-human empire/republic/federation/etc. Humans don't tick like that.

>> No.1925815
Quoted by: >>1925841

>>1925584
>>1925581
>>1925578
Holy shit. Did you wright these? I remember you saying something about the Interstellar Vehicle Carl Sagan in a thread a whiles back.

>> No.1925835
Quoted by: >>1925851 >>1925860

I don't see things as being as drastically different as some people think. Just look at past future predictions and how wrong they often are. I think the basics of life are going to remain essentially the same, with the addition of new gadgets and electronics.

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1925841

>>1925815

Yeah, I wrote that. It's basically a summary of the story I'm writing, each bit is cut and put at the beginning of individual chapters to give some context.

If you read hard science-fiction involving fur love, then it's probably me ;3

Pic related is Interstellar Vehicle Carl Sagan.

>> No.1925851
Quoted by: >>1925857

>>1925835

An impossibility.

>> No.1925857
Quoted by: >>1925871

>>1925851
Well just look at history, and past future predictions. Why would our future predictions now suddenly be accurate?

>> No.1925860

>>1925835

Well, that's true.

We have everything in http://www.paleofuture.com/ for reference.

But I guess those were the popsci promises, real people with PhD's in their respective subjects, I guess those can make an educated prediction of future trends.

inb4 Ray Kurzweil and Tipler

>> No.1925871

>>1925857

I wasn't talking about our predictions being accurate, I was talking about the part where you said life would basically be the same. Our lives would be completely unrecognizable to someone from 5000 years ago, they would think we have harnessed great magical powers. 5000 years from now their lives will be unrecognizable to us, so no, life will not stay basically the same.

>> No.1925908

>>1925871

This.

Even if it doesn't come as fast or as slow as we expect it, we'll at some point enter the GLORIOUS POSTHUMAN FUTURE.

>> No.1926024

>>1925871

500. Hell, even 50. If a person from 1960 suddenly appeared to our world in 2010, (s)he'd be struck by awe.

>> No.1926060
Quoted by: >>1926073

Wouldn't it be sad if all of our scientific and technological achievements were lost and forgotten in 500 years?

>> No.1926073

>>1926060

Probably won't happen.

GLORIOUS NANOTECH FUTURE et cetera.

>> No.1926123

>>1925871
>Our lives would be completely unrecognizable to someone from 5000 years ago, they would think we have harnessed great magical powers. 5000 years from now their lives will be unrecognizable to us, so no, life will not stay basically the same.

Not totally unrecognizable. Especially in terms of your initial >without human selfishness and stupidity
idea.

Technology and knowledge can change a lot, people can't change very much. Someone from 5,000 years ago would say, "yep... people are still stupid and selfish". Technology isn't everything, or even most things.

>> No.1926124
Quoted by: >>1926656

watch idiocracy

>> No.1926153
Quoted by: >>1926579

1. Another cold war starts off, this time between China and America or China and Europe. It extends into space, various space related treaties are scrapped and nukes go into permanent orbit.

This could end in two ways:

a) Like the first Cold War, nothing happens.
b) The world's satellite network gets obliterated by space weapons in under 90 seconds, everybody fires their strategic weapons and the world enters an information dark age because the majority of our culture and technology is stored electronically.


2. Various technologies continue to improve, moores law eventually stops holding within 15 years from now. AI research starts to get government funding as the technology to make it a reality becomes possible. It will go down in a few possible ways:

a) Someone gets close to a breakthrough in Seed A.I. research, and other countries get scared and start a war to stop them from finishing it.
b) One country completes it in time, but it isn't friendly because they rushed it out the gate and it destroys our civilization or totally wipes us out.
c) One country completes it in time, it is friendly (to them) and they use it to take over the world.
d) Same as b, but with a corporation instead of a country.
e) same as c, but with a corporation instead of a country.
f) Nations cooperate on the A.I., we get a utopia.

In all options where the AI is completed, everything that will ever be discovered gets discovered within a year of completion.

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>>1925584
>>1925581
>>1925578

>Anything written by CCM

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1926574
Quoted by: >>1926617

>>1925584
>>1925581
>>1925578

It was good, but you kinda blew it with the fur love.

>inb4 David is CCM's alter ego in the story, and Laura is pic related

>> No.1926579

>>1926153

>Seed A.I. research, and other countries get scared and start a war to stop them from finishing it.

Singularitarian much?

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ITT: IDIOCRACY IS A RELIABLE DOCUMENTARY OF THE FUTURE GUYS, LISTEN TO ME, I'M A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD FATALIST NIHILIST BUTTHURT ANGSTY EMO WHO GETS BULLIED AT SCHOOL AND THEREFORE THINKS THE WHOLE OF MANKIND DESERVES TO DIE

THERE ARE TOTALLY NO SCIENTIFIC SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS, WE'RE ALL DOOMED. NUKES, YOU KNOW, THEY HIT YOU AND THERE'S NOTHING LEFT LOL. BECAUSE IN A NUCLEAR WAR THEY WILL BE LAUNCHED IN A PERFECTLY EVENLY-SPACED GRID OF DEATH THROUGHOUT THE SURFACE. TOTALLY GUYS. MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

ALSO HUMANS ARE DUM DUM WHY AM I BETTER THAN EVERYONE WHY AM I BETTER THAN EVERYONE? WHY DON'T GIRLS LOVE ME?

Fucking seriously.

>> No.1926607
Quoted by: >>1926612

Humanity eventually begins colonizing space with the aid of a monopolized corporation consisting of drug-overdosed geniuses capable of folding space with the aid of advanced technology and mental gymnastics. Splintered by distance and cost of travel, most people rarely leave their home planets, and the standard system of government is largely feudal similar to Europe during the Middle Ages. Guilds form the main system of trade.

Splinter factions of humanity seek improvement of the species through female-dominated breeding and education, cloning, or technological innovation. Atomic weapons are universally forbidden, and most political power struggles occur behind the scenes through complex economic and social bargaining, and the careful use of specialized assassins.

A rare drug (found only on one planet), the product of a complex ecological system not wholly understood, provides longer life and for some (see above mention of travel), ability to fold space.

>> No.1926612
Quoted by: >>1926623

>>1926607

Suddenly, Muad'Dib/Hari Seldon slash fic.

>> No.1926617

>>1926574

>inb4 David is CCM's alter ego in the story, and Laura is pic related

Well fuck me sideways how did you manage to figure it out with such little data -- Nevermind.

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1926619

I think Ghost in the Shell has the most accurate future history for mankind.

>> No.1926621

You guys don't know? The AI have already taken over.

THIS IS THE MATRIX

>> No.1926623
Quoted by: >>1926631

>>1926612
I was hoping it would take someone at least 5 minutes to figure it out, you ruin all my fun :(

But in reality, I've been pleasantly surprised @ Frank Herbert's ability to extrapolate so far ahead w/o remarkable few (if any) major holes.

>> No.1926631
Quoted by: >>1926645

>>1926623

Well the other day I was thinking, WHAT IF FRANK HERBERT IS A TALENTLESS HACK WHO COPIED OFF CORDWAINER SMITH?

The Boy Who Bought Old Earth (First print of the first part of a novel that would later on be reprinted as The Planet Buyer, then compiled into Norstrilia) was published a year or two before Dune.

Rod McBan = Paul Atreides
Norstrilia = Arrakis
Stroon = Melange
Sick sheep = Sand worms
Lord Jestocost = Stilgar
C'mell <3<3<3 = Chani

etc etc.

Just shouting it out.

But I still loved Dune though, seriously :3 not trying to be a butthurt haterfag.

>> No.1926645
Quoted by: >>1926653

>>1926631
Interesting, though I'm not familiar with the book, I found a 2 sentence synopsis, rofl. And I am a fan of the original, though I'm mostly partial to books 4-6 where shit just gets crazy. Crazy awesome that is. Reading those books in depth and comparing his insights with my daily experience has been shocking and life-changing. There is pure genius, and I've been fortunate enough to see a glimpse of it.

>> No.1926649

>>1925437
that's the way it is now except no robot suits

>> No.1926653
Quoted by: >>1926679

>>1926645

I haven't had the time to read the other ones, but I have them on my computer and they are definitely on the list.

The books by Herbert's son, though, should I read them? Because judging by what I have heard I have them labeled under "Frank Herbert's Hack Son"

>> No.1926656

you're way too optimistic OP.

imagine everything exactly as it is now, only the rich are richer, the poor are poorer, and culture is stupider.

also see
>>1926124
>>1925722

>> No.1926679
Quoted by: >>1926691

>>1926653
I recommend putting them at the top of your list. I've read them all three times now, finding something new every time, simply because his writing style is so subtle, he can hit you over the head and you don't even realize it. They get tougher to read, but isn't there some saying about tough nuts to crack or something? Anyway, they only get better and better.

His son's books are good for those who got part of the way through the series and gave up; I guess a lot of people stop at 3. I'm fairly sure he was just kind of cashing in on the name reference, how else do you explain nearly a dozen books in the last few years? They read kind of like fanfiction, and are pretty easy to swallow, but I'm fairly confident he butchered the hell out of Book 7 which Frank didn't get to write (read: died :(((( ) by making it two books which call back heavily to his own prequel series. They are fun reads, but I've been trying to forget all the plot development he shunted in, in order to keep Frank's original message clear.

>> No.1926691
Quoted by: >>1926866 >>1926894

>>1926679

Okay then, as soon as I'm done reading House of Suns... And the four books I ordered over Amazon...

>> No.1926726
Quoted by: >>1926733

>>1925584
>>1925581
>>1925578
excuse my ignorance.. the "Century of Wonders" is the 21st century? Who made these predictions? They seem pretty grounded, so far. If it turns in to a kurzweilian circle jerk I'm going to puke, though.

>> No.1926733
Quoted by: >>1926781

>>1926726

> the "Century of Wonders" is the 21st century?

Yeah.

> Who made these predictions?

I did.

>If it turns in to a kurzweilian circle jerk I'm going to puke, though.

No, there isn't any (Human-level) AI in this century, only in the next century they get something a little more advanced, so on and on, but cycling catastrophes (An Anticipation-Singularity-Futurism-Setback cycle) throws down civilization sometimes on the galactic scale so I don't have to deal with writing about post-singularity civilizations too much :)

>> No.1926781
Quoted by: >>1926805

>>1926733

>Genetically-engineered super-furries and GLORIOUS NANOTECH ASSEMBLERS by 2050
>No AI

Oh Colonel you and your author appeal...

>> No.1926805
Quoted by: >>1926922

>>1926781
>>No AI

I don't see what's so unrealistic about this part. In fact, is seems close to fucking inevitable.

>> No.1926866

>>1926691

Fucking book is awesome, Alastair Reynolds kicks ass

>> No.1926894
Quoted by: >>1927356

>>1926691

If you want to enjoy Dune, stop at the first book, the rest are pretty retarded

>> No.1926922
Quoted by: >>1927024

>>1926805

Well all things considered, yeah. In the story they have "self-improving algorithms" and such things, but nothing that can be put to much practical use.

>> No.1927024

>>1926922

So dumb AI?

>> No.1927356

>>1926894

God-Emperor of Dune was an awesome book, what'cha talkin about?

But seriously, Book 3 is a no-go.

>> No.1927362 [DELETED] 
Quoted by: >>1927366

I always enjoy reading these.

>> No.1927366
Quoted by: >>1927371

>>1927362
You already fucked up your cover when you responded to me without using your tripcode but used the name of the 'other guy' that made the underwater habitat thread.

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We must pool all of our great leaders' abilities and minds together to be ritualistically killed and reincarnated as one mighty God-Emperor to bring unity and peace to humankind.

>> No.1927371 [DELETED] 

>>1927366

I did what now

>> No.1929289

bump

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1930216
Quoted by: >>1930305 >>1930337

Well, since this thread is still alive, might as well post this other shit I wrote.

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Quoted by: >>1930402

>>1930216

Are you going to publish this or what?

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>>1930216

>More mentions of Laura and David
>More mentions of the ISV Carl Sagan
>fucking furries fucking xenophiles fucking luddites mentioned everywhere
>mfw

>> No.1930339

ddd

>> No.1930402
Quoted by: >>1930474

>>1930305

You think his little hard sf fur love story will get published? Really?

>> No.1930408

>>OP
>science
>imagine

choose one

>> No.1930474
Quoted by: >>1930651

>>1930402

A lot of publishers are looking for controversial stuff.

What's more controversial than an aerospace engineer dating a genetically-engineered super-furry? Well, there are worse things, but this is the only one that is both disgusting and controversial.

WHERE WE'RE GOING
WE DON'T NEED ETHICS TO SEE

>> No.1930651

>>1930474

Oh God don't you get it? Nobody likes reading about furry shit.

>> No.1930664

The future contains nuclear power-plants and organ selling.

>> No.1930670

Fucking retarded.

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