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Quoted by: >>1931387

Anyone else feel like a lot of scientific advances are long overdue? For example:

-Guns have hardly changed since the vietnam war. The typical handgun design in use today predates ww2.

-The clothes we wear haven't changed much in the last hundred years, aside from fashion trends. This does not include advanced mountain climbing gear etc.

-Cars and roads are mostly unchanged since ~1950. Not minor details but the way the whole system works.

-The space program seems to have gone nowhere for a while now. It's almost like technology hasn't improved since 1969, but the moon landing was fake anyway.

>> No.1931273

i agree with op

>> No.1931275

me

>> No.1931284

our cars have been on wheels for the past 100 years why cant they fly yet wtf

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Cars haven't changed? What?

They still have 4 wheels and tires made of rubber, that's about where the similarities end.

Fuel injection
Sequential (robotic) manual/auto transmission
Huge advances in materials
Carbon fiber
Anti-lock brakes/ESD
More engine power in smaller spaces than ever
Electric vehicles not based on lead-acid batteries
Airbags
Radar ranging cruise control with adaptive ranging.

Fuck, the Prius can drive itself in a highway lane, it's got auto-ranging cruise and lane departure avoidance. an S-class will STOP itself. Some cars even have NIGHT VISION cameras!

WTF OP?

>> No.1931295

i say we take all the money out of wellfare and put it in nasa that seems like a smart thing for the goverment to do

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There is a widespread belief that technology increases exponentially. This is a myth. Individual technologies actually follow a logistic growth curve, where they start out extremely fast, then the rate of increase slows rapidly, approaching an asymptote.

Because of the highly interconnected nature of technologies, these limits are often bottlenecks imposed by lack of progress in other areas, and sometimes you get old technologies suddenly springing back to life because of advances in other areas. This is what happened with the Gatling gun - developed in the 19th century, perfected rapidly, then stagnated and fell out of use, replaced with the Machine-gun. Then in the 1950's they realized that you could use electricity to power them instead of a hand-crank, and suddenly they came out with modern electric powered Gatling guns.

>> No.1931308

The reason the limits on technologies exist is because there are fixed physical laws. Technologies exist to solve problems, and there exists an optimal solution to that problem. The asymptote shows up when you get close to that optimal solution. We call these things "mature technologies". Assault rifles and other small arms technology is a VERY mature technology. We very rarely make any improvements to the mechanics of the gun itself, and instead try to improve targeting of the guns with modern optics and computer fire control. Even when we do make minor improvements to guns, they are just that, minor. The M16 was 25 years more advanced than the AK-47, but the difference between the two guns in terms of killing power is tiny, as well as total effectiveness in combat. Compare that to say, computers, modern computers are orders of magnitude more powerful than computers from 25 years ago.

Moore's law is often extrapolated out into infinity, but this is unjustified. There is an upper limit on the amount of information that can be processed for a given amount of matter, and the light-speed limit is a hard cap on how big you can make processors before they become less effective than a smaller, less powerful processor with less lag.

>> No.1931318

In order to see drastic changes you need some sort of widespread catastrophic upset that destroys much of existing infrastructure, creating the opportunity to implement long overdue alternatives during the rebuilding process.

A civil war, for instance. I doubt very much that PRT would have been built if not for the war. Or habs.

>> No.1931387
Quoted by: >>1931459

>>OP
This is just a theory, but this lull in advances is due to the gray zone between an industrial and post-industrial era that we are unfortunately born in.

The nature of an industrial society is that it will eventually outgrow itself into a generational backlash, which resembles issues that America and Japan have now.

First, is the increasingly dis-proportioned senior population that ends up in a smaller generation's care.

Second, is a common backlash from a capitalist/materialistic society. A certain percentage of any economic success may end up backfiring due to unresolved debt from the consumer populous (see recession).

Lastly, the educational system still reflects an industrial society meant to produces an industrial worker. All schools have the same tier, Math/Sciences -> Literary Arts -> Social Arts -> Dance/Visual Art, meant to produce a literate and business-oriented middle-class worker. Industrial societies will eventually drop out in the market due to problems mentioned above, replaced by another more successful, and upcoming nation within their prime (see china). Exports will make a switch from manufactured products to intellectual commodities.

. Japan and America were once the source of new technology, when their economies were in their prime. Since advances in society are directly proportional to economic success,

>> No.1931449

We are a mechanical race, advancements of the last couple decades have been primarily of the computing variety with the advent of the interwebs. So far as it seems to me.

Science needs a re-birthing but this usually includes some sorta of catastrophic event and rapid change if history tells us anything.

>> No.1931459
Quoted by: >>1931525

>continuing
>>1931387
...this slow-down in development and lack of revolutionary technology will last unless this post-industrial transition period is overcome. I would suspect the next leader in scientific advances to have a revolutionary economic model after overcoming the obstacles I mentioned above.

Again, this is just something I thought up. No extensive research has been done besides what I perceive from recent trends. I'd like to hear more specific facts/details.

>> No.1931467
Quoted by: >>1931492 >>1931534

>but the moon landing was fake anyway.

...is this what people on /sci/ actually believe?

>> No.1931484

>but the moon landing was fake anyway.

>implying we didnt leave highly polished mirrors on the surface to reflect lasers that we shine at it to track its distance from earth on a regular basis.

>> No.1931492
Quoted by: >>1931534

>>1931467
No, it's what retards believe. Unfortunately the set of individuals who are retards and the set of individuals who post on /sci/ does have an overlap.

>> No.1931524

Major steps in the fields of biochemistry and genetics have been made in the recent years, including the discovery of RNAi technology that was awarded the 2006 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. This technology has revolutionized the outlook for many gene manipulation methods and outlooks on medical treatment.

>> No.1931525

>>1931459
Are you implying China isn't an industrial nation?

>> No.1931534

>>1931492
>>1931467

Actually, it's what trolls believe. Congratulations; welcome to the internet.

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