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2247510 No.2247510 [Reply] [Original] [archived.moe]

I'm sorry to crush your first-world white nerd escapist fantasies, but no, the future of humanity is to stay on this rock forever until the inevitable extinction. We're not going to find prothean artifacts on Mars. We're not going to enter a glorious age of technological progress following the Singularity or whatever nonsense. We are constrained by economics, scarcity, biology, psychology, and physics. Superficial technological progress is not going to hide for long the state of crisis humanity is in, even though it will blind the priviledged few for some time. Face the fact that tomorrow is going to suck big time - the sooner you've accepted it and moved on from your fantasies, the more prepared you're going to be (not that it will help much).

>> No.2247514

Party pooper.

>> No.2247562
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Hahaha, that bullshit becau-
>peak oil
>overpopulation
>unstable economics
>resources decreasing
>increasing instability
>war profiteering

.....oh fuck.

>> No.2247568

Nope.

>> No.2247580
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Quoted by: >>2247594

GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OVERPOPULATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PANDEMICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ASTEROIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VOLCANOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NUCLEAR WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*if you don't donate

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>>OP
No!

>> No.2247594

>>2247580
CAPITALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMUNISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EXTREMISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RACISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHAUVINISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE ALL GONNA NAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.2247654
Quoted by: >>2248296

If we just had to deal with the unimaginable, enormous, virtually unthinkably complex and daunting task of adjusting to the fact that oil production is going to get harder and harder to do and thus grow more and more expensive on lesser returns-a substance that not only acts as the fuel to virtually every car and truck and plane in existence, but that we use through chemical engineering to make plastics that we rely on for making nearly every thing we build-that alone is a thing so difficult to confront that it makes my head hurt-how in the holy FUCK are we going to get by when we have no more oil for Christ's sake?
But that is ONE problem out of a plethora of them that are looming on our species's horizon.
Having to TOTALLY CHANGE HOW WE FUEL OUR ECONOMY AND INDUSTRY in a process that itself will take up an ENORMOUS amount of resources, including our increasingly precious oil to make a conversion-is only one of SEVERAl huge issues we have.
Sweet merciful fuck, we are in deep gentlemen. God damn I hope we can nanomachines our way out of this one...

>> No.2247689

>implying anti-matter
actually I do not know shit about the possiblitys of what cern can do. Does /sci/?

>> No.2247690

YES, THANK YOU, I AM NOT ALONE!!!

*hugs OP*

goddamn it all these "herp derp human history is predestined to go into space and become gods singularity eternal life infinite progress durrrrr" threads piss me off to no end

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2247701

Oh shit niggers, what the fuck are we going to do?

>> No.2247707

>>OP
Are you a Maoist Third Worldist?

>> No.2247711

op is right. sci-fi nerds of /sci/ don't want to deal with reality. life is a lot easier when there is hope, even if it means lying to yourself.

>> No.2247760
Quoted by: >>2247813

we have some time.

Personally I wouldn't bet on your prediction, op.

>> No.2247813
Quoted by: >>2247839

>>2247760
No one ever went broke betting on human stupidity.

>> No.2247839
Quoted by: >>2247859

>>2247813
Yet here we are, after continuous technological progress which, if anything, seems to be accelerating.
just sayin

>> No.2247859
Quoted by: >>2247924

>>2247839
Yeah, shame about how those advances mostly help out a small number of people to get new retarded gadgets.

The system is huge and impressive and glorious and hopelessly, utterly fucking doomed by its own size and inability to comprehend its own looming starvation in fuel. We're children of a rotting empire, scrabbling in the desert to buy a few more years on top.

>> No.2247904

LETS ALL PANIC AND SHIT
Oh wait...I already knew this. Plus, you're also a retard if you don't think that governments aren't already on top of developing and implementing alternative fuels.

Question: Where does North Korea get its oil from? I assume that best Korea has some reserves, but does China also supply them?

>> No.2247924
Quoted by: >>2247949

>>2247859
Lolwhat. Empires have risen and fallen throughout human history. There is nothing besides your own speculations that suggests that these current difficulties in our society will be the end of anything.
Things have been way worse for humanity before.

>> No.2247937

>>OP
I'm glad you pointed all that out OP, but I think you came to the wrong conclusion. The future's actually going to be a lot *better* than the present, precisely because of the fact that we're running out of the fuel required to make and run all the technology we depend upon. Well, it'll be better after the population corrects, that is.

I suggest reading "Industrial Society and Its Future" for a better explanation.

>> No.2247942
Quoted by: >>2247952

nano tech will make everything ok :)

>> No.2247949

>>2247924
Has humanity ever had its population increase exponentially, supported essentially by a single fuel source, then had that fuel source run out? You're essentially saying that all problems are the same, and that ingenuity will solve everything, which isn't the case. In fact, most of our previous successes have been because of the fact that we can just light a bunch of hydrocarbons on fire whenever we need a ton of energy.

>> No.2247952

>>2247942
No it won't.

>> No.2247971
Quoted by: >>2247981

There's a finite amount of oil, but the amount is very large. Nuclear can replace oil pretty easily, and before the uranium runs out, we have the moon's He3 to mine. By the time the moon's He3 runs out... who the fuck know, but by that time we could be mining resources from all over the solar system.

I'm all for long-term thinking, but not chicken little-ism. Long-term thinking simply says to invest modest amounts in research of alternative technologies. Then they'll be there by the time we need them. If someone wants to use this as an excuse to "rush" to the moon in a meaningful way, I won't object.

>> No.2247977

but
but carl sagan said

>> No.2247981
Quoted by: >>2247994

>>2247971
It's nice that you're for long-term thinking, but nobody important is, and by now it's too late anyways. Oil production peaked in 2005, and as far as I know there hasn't been any major drive to get more nuke plants built since then.

>> No.2247994
Quoted by: >>2248041

>>2247981
you know alberta is not going to run out of oil anytime soon right?

also there is allways the idea of thermal enegry send water end under gound and steam comes back up to run power plants

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Quoted by: >>2248042 >>2248060

I'm sorry to crush your Industrialized colonial fantasies, but no, the future of humanity is to stay on Europa until the inevitable extinction. We're not going to find wild sexual driven women in the amazon. We're not going to enter a glorious age of mechanical progress 'Advance' following the great wars or whatever nonsense. We are constrained by economics, scarcity, biology, psychology, and physics. Superficial steam driven progress is not going to hide for long the state of crisis humanity is in, even though it will blind the privileged few for some time. Face the fact that tomorrow is going to blow big time - the sooner you've accepted it and moved on from your fantasies, the more prepared you're going to be (not that it will help much).

>> No.2248037

lol i was bringing this up in a thread yesterday with specific examples and everyone was just screaming like apes telling me i was "uneducated" and handwaving everything with the age-old idiotic "WE WILL DEVELOP A SCIENCE TO FIX IT" defense

some pathetic nerds just really, REALLY want some ideal star trek future to happen and they go into a frothing denial when they realize it wont happen

>> No.2248041
Quoted by: >>2248301

>>2247994
Well yeah, the world's never going to *run out* of oil, it's just not going to have as much as it needs to function. Think of it this way; if your body needs 5 liters of blood and you've only got 2 liters in you, you might still have blood left but you're still going to die.

In the same vein, geothermal, solar, wind, etc. might produce *some* energy, but definitely not *enough* energy. Our only real hope is nuclear, but that only solves the problem of electricity, leaving the problems of transportation and petroleum products (particularly agricultural chemicals) unsolved.

>> No.2248042

>>2248026

SPACE IS DIFFERENT THAN A NEW CONTINENT YOU ARE NOT CLEVER

>> No.2248050
Quoted by: >>2248109

Don't get excited. OP is only making theory. As Michael Crichton said "theories are not facts." OP is predicting. If you predict far enough in advance your will be dead before proved wrong.

>> No.2248060

>>2248026
Except we're in a different situation now, so that doesn't apply. Analogies are stupid.

>> No.2248109

>>2248050
Except we're not predicting that far in advance. We'll probably start to see the effects of our limited resources within the decade.

>> No.2248139

If we are to ever get out of this planetary rock we have to remove our human morals, become cold and calculating logical machines, and transform ourselves into a completely different entity. The outer space is a ruthlessly inaccessible environment for our current forms. It is scaled way too up for our animalistic senses. If we do not try to overcome this factor by using any means necessary, emotions, illogicalness, social problems such as tribalism, multiculturalistic conflicts and uncontrolled breeding will be our undoing (/b/, /fa/, /adv/ among others may serve as a reference to this kind of degenerate behavior).

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2248186

This is all non-sense, humanity has gone through many tough phases and will pull through this one as it always has. There is no pivotal point at which where we give up and all die.

We live on the borderline.

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>>2248186
>mfw that picture

>> No.2248251
Quoted by: >>2248263

I hate humanity.

I don't want us reaching the singularity or colonizing other planets until we get our shit together.

>> No.2248263

>>2248251
And if we don't get our shit together, I hope we all die.

expect me because i'm perfect
i'll live in peace with the animals


deal with it

>> No.2248278 [DELETED] 

>>2248186
Us spreading thoughout the galaxy physically is as impossible as trying to reach the clouds by jumping. You may improve the distance with practice, but you will never reach far enough quick enough for it to be feasable.

Sorry.

>> No.2248286
Quoted by: >>2248507

>>2248186
Us spreading thoughout the galaxy physically is as impossible as trying to reach the clouds by jumping. You may improve the distance with practice, but you will never reach far enough quick enough for it to be feasible.

Sorry.

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Quoted by: >>2248299 >>2248305

I'm sorry to crush your first-world white nerd escapist fantasies, but no, the future of humanity is to stay in this cave forever until the dinosaurs kill us all. We're not going to find bigger caves on the other side of that river Mugu'nta keeps talking about. We're not going to enter a glorious age of progress where every man has all the meat and animal skin he wants, and can have clubs more powerful than the ones we have now. We are constrained by the weather, dinosaurs, and those giant rocks we cant get over. Superficial travelling beyond big rocks is not going to hide for long the state of crisis humanity is in, even though it will blind the privileged few for some time. Face the fact that tomorrow is going to suck big time - the sooner you've accepted it and moved on from your fantasies, the more prepared you're going to be (not that it will help much).

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Quoted by: >>2248708

>>2247654
>mfw this is exactly the crisis we need to get our asses back in gear

>> No.2248297

>I'm sorry to crush your first-world white nerd escapist fantasies
>first-world white nerd escapist fantasies
>first-world

You dont't understand the power of western civilization

The three greatest superpowers have all been western

You Second/Third World faggot can suck my western dick

>> No.2248299

>>2248288
brb fapping to this reply.

>> No.2248301

>>2248041
well i rember wacthing this on tv quite a few years ago.

this guy was built this anteni thing placed in the ground and then we drove a few miles away from it and placed a light buld in the ground and it lit up

some how he gather the enegry from the plantes EMF to lite the blub.

the govermnet got very intersted in this and WHERE planing on building hugh towers all over the states to gater power from the EMF.

but it could also be used as a weapon and send these huge lighting bolts to earth with more force then like 100 nukes

so they scraped it becouse it could be misused and they don't know what the effect on the earths EMF it would have.

so we could try that out for a new power source

>> No.2248305

>>2248288
Yeah and we'll have a sustained fire reaction twenty years. What's next be domesticating plants and animals, or maybe this mythical wheel will allow us to conquer the vast distance of the continents.

Troll harder nigger.

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Quoted by: >>2248424

>mfw we lapse back into neo- feudalism
>mfw I now have a good chance to see techno barbarians

>> No.2248424
Quoted by: >>2248438 >>2248441

>>2248372
We'll eventually get Fallout for real.

>> No.2248438
Quoted by: >>2248476

>>2248424
it's too bad your stupid ass means fallout 3, because that's going to suck

>> No.2248441

>>2248424
Fallout for real.. I would love to see all the emotional wrecks handle that.

>> No.2248457

lol too bad our natural gas supply can onlyu be described as FUCKING AMPLE. There's more oil out there than you think, and the sheer fat that there is so much money to be made by transitioning to a new-energy economy is proof enough that it will happen.

>> No.2248476

>>2248438
>it's too bad your stupid ass means fallout 3
wtf?

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>mfw we experience real life Fallout

>> No.2248483

I ride a bike so no transportation problem. I could easily transition over to growing my own food. I have some left over treadmill motors that I haven't built into windmills yet, so that's power.
No problem for me.
Even IF humanity decides do just ride itself into the ground, which I doubt will happen due to governments and policy change (you get enough angry people who have to pay 8 bucks for gas, you have a problem), we will plunge into a Mad Max/Fallout period for about 200 years or so, and then discover some new tech and move on again. Bro, we as a race made it out of the dark ages, and that was BEFORE we discovered science. I think the race can handle it again.

>> No.2248507

>>2248286
>Us spreading thoughout the galaxy physically is as impossible
>impossible

No, I'm afraid it isn't. It's just difficult. Whether we will rise to the challenge remains to be seen.

>> No.2248647

y'all doomsayers really don't unnerstand the difference between the surface of our sphere and the volume of our system, much less the difference between captured energy stuck in the ground and the extremely bountiful energy up there in LEO.

>> No.2248682

OP wins.

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>>2248296
Precisely. It's not quite so "fail, and face complete extinction" in the case of, say, a massive asteroid hurtling toward Earth, but there is apt incentive to adapt more quickly to other technologies, some of which do and do not yet exist. Certainly some may perish in the transition, you and I even, and many may face difficult times, but in the end we will survive as a whole; we will because we must.

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