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Quoted by: >>3205789

What will the future be like?

Pic outdated.

>> No.3205366
Quoted by: >>3205370

Just like now, but with more porn

>> No.3205370
Quoted by: >>3205412

>>3205366
is there something like moore's law for porn?

>> No.3205374
Quoted by: >>3205380

>inb4 extrapolations

>> No.3205380

>>3205374
That's kind of the whole point, no?

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>> No.3205407

We'll run out of cheap oil and go back to living in villages.

>> No.3205412

>>3205370
Yes, yes there is.
1) As more things come into existance more porn must be created to account for these new things
2) As time goes on new ways to make porn come up. This creates new needs for porn

Because of this more porn must come as time passes.
Just wait for 3D porn to start coming in in couple of years.

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Quoted by: >>3205440 >>3210179

Technological development will shift away from the use of vast amounts of energy and massive engineering projects and focus more on efficiency, doing more with less instead of doing more with more, this is in part due to the path technology seems to be taking with nanotechnology, chemomechanics, genetic modification and cellular biochemistry and in part due to resource depletion and overpopulation.

The future will be bright for scientists, society will be thrown back into poverty and be more dependent on sophisticated technology to maintain standards of living than ever. Of course for everyone else it might not be that great.

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Quoted by: >>3205438

The machine that will bring us into the Diamond Age.

>> No.3205438
Quoted by: >>3205457

>>3205428
I like Neal Stephenson, too... You can't be serious, though, right?

>> No.3205440

>>3205419
I disagree.
Once we are mining other planets and asteroids Im pretty sure we will have close to infinite resources.


>The future will be bright for scientists

You mean corporations, the world will never be good for scientists

>> No.3205445
Quoted by: >>3205454

>>3205440
>Once we are mining other planets and asteroids Im pretty sure we will have close to infinite resources.
How old are you?

>> No.3205452

Dogs talk while we use our networked brains to chat with artificial sentient life on the bottom of the ocean. We will be burning everything down and creating artificial consciousness, resulting in self-aware fire-robots looking forward to an alliance of space colonies rebelling against their BBQ-hating overlords. We're headed to the gold standard, going bankrupt, losing our faith in science and we'll lose the world to the slime molds anyway. We learn to love the mole men, throw out our DVDs and break up into small countries. Brain hacking will be easier when we're always connected to the Net to watch live coverage of state secessions. Cheap tech saves us all while our lungs are infected by solar cells. Life will be sweet when algorithms govern our social lives and body bugs govern our biology. The rise of citizen scientists who record their life will lead us to global harmony on Mars. Also, we'll pick a job for you but it won't be in self-help.

>> No.3205454

>>3205445
>How old are you?

13, why?

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Quoted by: >>3205466 >>3205474

>>3205438

Not a Neal Stephenson reference, Diamond Age is a legitimate term for a nanotechnology age.

>Certain periods in the history of mankind are often called after the most freqently used construction material. (like the stone age, the bronze age). A very fitting name for the period having MNT as its most widely used technology would therefore be : the diamond age .

>> No.3205463

Thread music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XESreJjGx-I

>> No.3205466

>>3205457
Yeah, but it go popularized by that one book by Stephenson. If you're into nanotech and haven't read it, you probably should.

>> No.3205474
Quoted by: >>3205632

>>3205457
Hey. You deleted a post with a bunch of links in it. Could you repost that? thanks.

>> No.3205478
Quoted by: >>3205485 >>3205497

>>3205440
This will take a long time, humans are naturally evolved, we are not suited to that level of economic activity in space which will not be just about redirecting an asteroid into orbit, chopping bits off and parachuting them down to the nevada desert, we need an energy source and efficient use of that energy on par with teams of scientists, laboratories and a large skilled educated workforce which costs a lot to support down here on earth.

Humanity need to be surpassed and although it is feasible at one point for us to start augmenting ourselves and designing organisms, it's not at the moment, it will require a lot of development.

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Quoted by: >>3205509

welcome to the future, where everything new is old.

>> No.3205485
Quoted by: >>3205549

>>3205478
Do you realise that if we don't act now we probably won't have the energy to do it later?

>> No.3205497
Quoted by: >>3205508 >>3205549

>>3205478
>we are not suited to that level of economic activity in space

lol.
Why not?

Humans have to go into space or were fucked.

>> No.3205508
Quoted by: >>3205521

>>3205497
>Humans have to go atomic or we're fucked.
Fix'd

>> No.3205509
Quoted by: >>3205558

>>3205483
Probably not, industrialized places have a certain sticking power, through history even the most wartorn shitty countries being constantly bombed and cut off from world trade still maintained textile mills and railways. I expect the period we are in to be considered a golden age due to the abundance of industrial resource though.

>> No.3205521
Quoted by: >>3205545 >>3205568

>>3205508
wat...

you think we can survive with like 20 billion people?

all it takes is 1 guy to go crazy and destroy this planet

you need as much humans spread across the galaxy in order for us to survive long term

u mad

>> No.3205545

>>3205521
No. We should never reach 20 billion people. Human population control FTW.

>> No.3205549
Quoted by: >>3205571 >>3205636

>>3205485
That's a nice soundbite to make people care more about their carbon footprint and space travel will be more difficult once fossil fuels are depleted but we gain an enormous amount of energy from the sun and technology is improving.
>>3205497
It's far easier to send sapient machines into space or something. We're not going to colonize the universe, we will be surpassed by our own creations before that point.

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>>3205509
Ever herd of Angkor Wat or Chichen Itza? Detroit is not far off from those.

>> No.3205568
Quoted by: >>3205577

>>3205521
>you think we can survive with like 20 billion people?
Yes, even if some 12B people magically appeared then the poor would just starve and everything would return to normal

What is even the point of your post.

>> No.3205571
Quoted by: >>3205579

>>3205549
>It's far easier to send sapient machines

I never said we couldnt do that...
and thats why we send robots to asteroids and collect resources
you honestly think i meant we send humans to do that shit?

>> No.3205577

>>3205568
the point is that if everyone is standing on 1 rock

and that rock explodes

our species is gone...

>> No.3205579

>>3205571
Well, you said "humans", you could have said "our civilization" or something.

>> No.3205610

>>3205577
You forget one thing. What if the species consists of space dwelling sapient machines, a cluster of nanomachines controlled by a super intelligence that can manufacture machines for survival in any environment other than the surface of a star? It will use the resources of that rock to travel to the nearest solar system then colonize worlds there and expand through the universe, only limited by the energy and time needed.

>> No.3205613
Quoted by: >>3205623 >>3205743

>>3205577
>Earth
>Explode
>Pick one
The difference in the time scales of the man and the universe are so large that it doesn't have any practical difference if we go to space tomorrow or in thousand years.

Only thing that changes is that if we try to do too soon, we will just fail and waste loads of good resources.

>> No.3205623
Quoted by: >>3205664

>>3205613

We wont see it if they do it in 1000 years...

And thats all i really care about

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>>3205474

<span class="math">\bf{:: Nanotechnology:}[/spoiler]
Nanofactory Collaboration: http://www.molecularassembler.com/
Eric Drexler vs Richard Smalley on Mechanosynthesis: http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-drexler-smalley-debate-on-molecular-assembly
Philip Moriarty (Researched using Si dimers as toggleable bits) discusses mechanosynthesis: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/philip-moriarty-discusses.html
Pathway to Diamond-Based Molecular Manufacturing: http://www.molecularassembler.com/Papers/PathDiamMolMfg.htm
Nanotech-Based Terraforming of Mars: http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/9601-news.html#RTFToC53
The Nano Age: http://thenanoage.com/
Institute of Atomic Scale Engineering: http://www.iase.cc/index.htm
Robert Freitas' Work on Nanomedicine:
- http://www.rfreitas.com/
- Respirocytes: http://www.thenanoage.com/respirocytes.htm
http://www.foresight.org/Nanomedicine/Respirocytes.html
- Clottocytes: http://thenanoage.com/clottocytes.htm
- Microbivores: http://thenanoage.com/microbivores.htm
Nanotechnology and the Arrival of the Diamond Age: http://www.dse.nl/~hkl/e_nano1.htm
Nanoengineer-1: http://nanoengineer-1.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
It's a Small, Small, Small, Small World (Complete overview of Nanotechnology): http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/MITtecRvwSmlWrld/article.html
Steps Towards Molecular Manufacturing: http://www.n-a-n-o.com/nano/cda-news/cda-news.html
Foresight Institute vs Scientific American: http://www.foresight.org/SciAmDebate/SciAmOverview.html

>> No.3205636

>>3205549
>nice soundbite to make people care more about their carbon footprint
I don't think it's about the carbon footprint at all, that's all secondary and long-term. The most pressing issue here is that without abundant fossil fuels space travel will become much harder to pull off (as will pretty much any other large human undertaking) and we have to start planning our future energy investments now.

If some people in the oil industry are to be believed, we might run into big trouble as early as 2020-2030.

inb4 "but rockets don't run on gas"

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Quoted by: >>3205652 >>3205672

>>3205632
<span class="math">\it{Books:}[/spoiler] Engines of Creation; Nanosystems: Molecular Machinery, Manufacturing and Computation; Unbounding the Future: The Nanotechnology Revolution; Nanomedicine
<span class="math">\it{Videos:}[/spoiler]
- Molecular Assembler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spr5PWiuRaY
- Molecular Sorting Pump: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfuvLT4bbbA; http://nanoengineer-1.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sorting_Pump
Proof I'm actually all wrong: http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/158/1295996173518.png

<span class="math">\bf{:: Genetics and Life Extension:}[/spoiler]
Hans Rosling on Global Population Growth: http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html
Aubrey de Grey on Aging: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iYpxRXlboQ
Manhattan Beach Project: http://hplusmagazine.com/2009/12/03/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029/
SENS Foundation: http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes
Aging in Mice: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/28/scientists-reverse-ageing-mice-humans
The Molecular Repair of the Brain by Ralph Merkle: http://merkle.com/merkleDir/techFeas.html

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Quoted by: >>3205653 >>3205701

The expansion of capitalism and consumption cycles will produce CO2, and Earth bio-chemical cycles will take over, liberating massive amounts of CH4 from permafrost, temperatures will rise worldwide faster than species' can adapt, mass extinctions will occur, by 2100 all humans, most plants and animals will be extinct, the temperature will be 140 degrees at the equator, and the dominant life form will be fungal. 2020-nuclear war. 2030- mass starvation, migration. 2040- all forests destroyed, migrants moving to polar regions. 2050-2100- the last dying colonies of humanity winking out, supertoxic conditions worldwide.


I'm fucking serious.

>> No.3205646
Quoted by: >>3205682

>>3205577
As far as predicitions shos, we'll reach about 10 billions in 2050. The ressources on Earth would be sufficient to maintain adequate standard of living to everyone (some people's way of life would "decrease" and others' would "increase"). We are far FAR away from going into space, let alone to drill some ressources and ship them back to Earth. I won't even say anything about colonization.

Like anon said, efficiency will be the keyword, that and entertainment. When China, India and Brazilia citizens will achieve middle class, they won't seek for other planets. Capitalism will not seek other planets, it'll will be even stronger and seek on how to assure himself ways of maintaining a control over the global market with nanotechnologies and entertainment.

States as we know them (from the 18th-19th century) won't exist anymore and everything will be more local and global at the same time for most people.

That's what I've read and agreed with.

>> No.3205652
Quoted by: >>3205716

>>3205632
>>3205641
Any practical applications with large scale usage by profit motivated businesses yet? That's what I want to see, not new age hippies in tight spandex prancing around with healing crystals.

>> No.3205653

>>3205643
Why so pessimist?

>> No.3205664
Quoted by: >>3205671

>>3205623
Well it's impossible to go to other solar systems in one mans lifetime with current tech and it's also impossible to go to other planets and settle there in our current time.

What we could do is send a man to mars and see him die there. This would cost trillions that could be spend to something that is actually usefull.

IF you just want ot go to space or even as faar as the moon then it's just a case of money.
If you have 30M you can go to space and with something along the lines of 150M you get to go to the moon.

>> No.3205671
Quoted by: >>3205694

>>3205664
>something along the lines of 150M you get to go to the moon
That's kinda cheap. Why hasn't China/Microsoft/Google done it yet?

>> No.3205672

>>3205641
>>3205641
<span class="math">\bf{:: DIY:}[/spoiler]
RepRap (Self-replicating 3D printer): http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
Gnusha: http://gnusha.org/skdb/
DIY Transhumanism: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/transcending-the-human-diy-style/
Cybernetics for the Masses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RV_6Axb80g&feature=related; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5n2aJeAGyM
SKDB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg&feature=player_embedded; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9z6H_EFqQ&feature=related; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edl6uFn3_g4&feature=related
Transhumanist Philosophy & Ethics: http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Cultural/Philosophy/index.html

<span class="math">\bf{:: Space Exploration:}[/spoiler]

Surface-to-orbit: http://projectrho.com/rocket/surfaceorbit.php
Skylon News Articles: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/05/skylon-spaceplane-development-given-go.html; http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/05/skylon-spaceplane-precooler-component.html
Slower than Light travel: http://projectrho.com/rocket/slowerlight.php
Relativistic Robots and the Feasibility of Interstellar Flight: http://www.charlespellegrino.com/propulsion.htm

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>>3205672


Mars Direct Presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0OJX52twGU; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br2zr58YuNM&feature=related; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ybr4gSHjm4&feature=related; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFNvhXa06ZE&feature=related
Robert Zubrin on the Importance of Space Travel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bIQLiKi3g
Launch Loop: http://launchloop.com/
Laser-driven Surface-to-orbiters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightcraft
Small Laser-propelled Interstellar Probe: http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Tech/Space/laser.txt
Nanotechnology & Space Exploration: http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/NSSNanoPosition.html
The World’s Energy Future Belongs in Orbit: http://ssi.org/reading/papers/the-worlds-energy-future-belongs-in-orbit/
The Economic Viability of Mars Colonization: http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Tech/Space/mars.html

<span class="math">\bf{:: Computers:}[/spoiler]

DNA and restriction enzyme implementation of Turing Machines: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.43.9364&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Reversible Logic: http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/reversible.html
Rod Logic (Mechanical nanocomputers):
- Two Types of Mechanical Reversible Logic: http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/mechano.html
- Eric Drexler on Rod Logic: http://www.halcyon.com/nanojbl/NanoConProc/nanocon2.html
Simulation Argument: http://www.simulation-argument.com/

>> No.3205682
Quoted by: >>3205713

>>3205646
>Capitalism will not seek other planets


>Some day, the platinum, cobalt and other valuable elements from asteroids may even be returned to Earth for profit. At 1997 prices, a relatively small metallic asteroid with a diameter of 1.6 km (1 mile) contains more than $20 trillion US dollars worth of industrial and precious metals.

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>>3205680
Lisp at JPL: http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html
Ternary Computer Simulator: http://www.acc.umu.se/~achtt315/tunguska/about.html
Thought, Langauge & the Failure of AI: http://sifter.org/~simon/journal/20060303.h.html
<span class="math">\it{Brain Simulation:}[/spoiler]
- Anders Sandberg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtioFqEIo7A; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njANObNq1lM
- Simon Funk: http://sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/chapter_18.html
Rule 110: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_110; http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=rule+110
<span class="math">\it{Books:}[/spoiler] Entropy and Information by Mikhail V. Volkenstein; The Annotated Turing by Charles Petzold

<span class="math">\bf{:: Links:}[/spoiler]
<span class="math">\it{Blogs:[/spoiler]
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/
http://crowlspace.com/
http://nextbigfuture.com/
http://www.rocketpunk-manifesto.com/
http://up-ship.com/blog/
http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/
http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/

>> No.3205694

>>3205671
It's actually two man trip, 150M each and it just goes around the moon.
One person is already in and they need another one to go with him.
Alternatively you could just buy two tickets and go with a friend.
There is of course the standard health requirements so this is not for everyone.
It's just an expencive holiday.

>> No.3205701

>>3205643
CO2 has been double that of today in the past, up to 10 times higher during certain periods.

>> No.3205703
Quoted by: >>3205724

>>3205687
>>3205680
>>3205672
Hey, do you have all of your links collected in one place, like a pastehtml page or something? If you don't, you really should. I'd highly appreciate it.

>> No.3205712

ya make a pastebin with all this shit plz

>> No.3205713
Quoted by: >>3205722

>>3205682
The market seeks stability; when a country is unstable, the investors run away. Until space travel would assure safe transportation and profitable travelling/exploring/exploiting, be sure no one would go out there. Plus, there's no human to exploit up there.

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>>3205652

There's
>http://www.zyvex.com/
and companies that provide STM/AFM tooltips, tool. Most applications of nanotechnology are either in computing or materials for construction and clothes, so far a proto-mechanosynthesis kinda thing has been proven on a Silicon surface (Since it's far easier to work with than diamond).

>> No.3205722
Quoted by: >>3205739

>>3205713
>Until space travel would assure safe transportation and profitable travelling/exploring/exploiting

implying this inevitably wont be taken care of in a century

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Quoted by: >>3205740 >>3205753

>>3205703

I just collected them to have something to refer to in discussions, but that's a good idea.

>> No.3205733

Evil capitalists regularly fork out millions to send satellites up there, once asteroid mining becomes economical they will be the first to arrive cash in hand to fund these ventures.

>> No.3205739

>>3205722
Seriously, if you are the 13 years old from earlier, stop posting such nonsens.

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>>3205724

>> No.3205743

>>3205613
Yes, it does have a practical difference. A gamma ray burst could hit us at any time, and there is no way for us to see it coming.

>> No.3205750 [DELETED] 

http://pastie.org/2049701

fukken saved

>thanks tripfag, i kill you last

>> No.3205753

>>3205724
Dude, you just need to make a blog where you'd post all those links.

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Quoted by: >>3205770

>mfw nanoaugmentation technology

>> No.3205770
Quoted by: >>3205776

>>3205754
>yfw killswitch

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Quoted by: >>3205784

>>3205770

>yfw a bomb

>> No.3205784

>>3205776
You miss the point. Bombs aren't futuristic.

>> No.3205789

>>OP
I dunno OP, but I don't think it'll look as Art Deco as your pic.

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Quoted by: >>3205926

MY PREDICTION

Entropy will increase

>> No.3205855
Quoted by: >>3205913

Future rankings

Top tier:
Grim black buildings cyberpunk
Pointy chrome-coated
Windows and floating computer monitor/screens

Middle tier:
Art deco
Crystals and togas
Normal modern looking cyberpunk

Bottom tier:
Sterile white cyberpunk
Post apocalyptic

>> No.3205907

>>3205687
>>3205680
>>3205672
>>3205632
Are these already in the /sci/ guide
if not they probably should be

>> No.3205913

>>3205855

>Art Deco
>Middle tier

how about fuck you?

>> No.3205914
Quoted by: >>3208124 >>3209318

Utopia:
*Genetic engineering used to rid humanity of inheritable disease, increase intelligence (logic, creativity, the whole shebang) and build a psychology more suitable for utopia (make main motivator curiosity rather than sex and dominance).
*Rigorous control of who gets to be a parent.
*Education focused on the transfer of information rather than teaching how to jump through bureaucratic hoops.
*Make the public spreading of misinformation a punishable offence.
*Any decision affecting more than the person making it should be based on evidence whenever possible.
*Preservation of intelligence should take priority over any other endeavour.

>> No.3205926

>>3205831
But the total amount of energy will be the same.

>> No.3208124
Quoted by: >>3208239

>>3205914
>>3205914
>build a psychology more suitable for utopia (make main motivator curiosity rather than sex and dominance).
Whoa! How do you think that would work? Sex and dominance have been the basic things life is selected for since its earliest days.

>> No.3208209

>>3205687
>sapiensanonym.blogspot.com
Oh yeah, Lepht Anonym. Everyone here on /sci/ should absolutely watch her "Cybernetics for the Masses" talk. She discusses stuff like low-tech subdermal implants that stimulate your nerves with tiny electric currents in order to give you "extra senses": electric field perception, magnetoreception (sensing where the magnetic north is), etc. It's not just talk, either, she's tried them herself. Lepht a more than a bit crazy, as you'd expect someone who does experiments like that on their own body to be, but what she does is absolutely fascinating.

Watch the talk here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APOAmxFEMkQ

>> No.3208239
Quoted by: >>3208262

>>3208124
If you genetically engineered humans with brains that release endorphins and dopamine like they've just snorted crack every time they get curious about something then they're probably just going to go insane and unable to truly live.

>> No.3208262

>>3208239
I don't know about you, but I already feel good when I satisfy my curiosity. The only problem with our natural desire for novel experience and knowledge is that we don't always have the ability to pay attention to it. What humans need is to create an environment for themselves where the threat of dying of, say, hunger or inability to get medical help if don't go for acquiring money and power isn't as pressing as it is now.

You know, kind of like Sweden.

>> No.3208411

up

>> No.3208415
Quoted by: >>3208432

>>3208262
Fuck yes Scandinavia.

>> No.3208432

>>3208262
>>3208415
"The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed."

>> No.3208439
Quoted by: >>3208449 >>3208455

Very very shitty for a short while, and then dramatically better after that.

>> No.3208449
Quoted by: >>3208463

>>3208439
>Very very shitty for a short while
okay
>and then dramatically better after that
why?

>> No.3208455

>>3208439
are you talking about yourself>

>> No.3208459

>>3208262
I'm sure Sweden is great and all but that doesn't really address the issue here.

>> No.3208463
Quoted by: >>3208593

>>3208449
Wait, you don't know me? If this is a diff. timeline than the one I've been posting in, I'd rather not fuck things up by sharing too much again.

>> No.3208499
Quoted by: >>3208524

“I think there’s a world market for about 5 computers.”
(Thomas J. Watson, Chairman of the Board, IBM, circa 1948)

“It would appear that we have reached the limits of what it is possible to achieve with computer technology, although one should be careful with such statements, as they tend to sound pretty silly in 5 years.”
(John Von Neumann, circa 1949)

# “There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home.”
(Ken Olson, President, Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977)

those are a few of my favouites

>> No.3208524

>>3208499
So obviously this means we'll all be whizzing around in flying cars powered by tofu in 6 months.

>> No.3208550
Quoted by: >>3208569

>>3208524
Well, duh.

>> No.3208556
Quoted by: >>3208565 >>3208569

>>3208524
Obviously we've reached the plateau. Everything will be just like the 00's from now on. Maybe things will get a little smaller, a little faster. Maybe the TV's will get a little sharper. But yeah I guess this is it, forever. We're all done.

>> No.3208563
Quoted by: >>3208569

>>3208524
Powered by, made of, and designed by tofu, yes.

>> No.3208565

>>3208556
>>3208524
False dilemma.

>> No.3208569

>>3208550
>>3208556
>>3208563
This has nothing to do with continuum fallacies, I was just pointing out via proof by contradiction that even though some fags were skeptical and proven wrong doesn't mean all your predictions will come true.

>> No.3208593

>>3208463
This is your normal one, just a lot of people have moved to other sites. I can't remember the details, but I remember that the little Clinton was elected in your universe, and there were anti-science religious groups for a while, and economically people create art and stuff, but also get all the basics for free (or there's a guaranteed minimum wage or something, can't remember).

>> No.3208682

It will be like always.


Technology creates problems, technology solves problems.

>> No.3209288

bump

>> No.3209318
Quoted by: >>3209324

>>3205914
>implying there will be parents

Kids will be produced in labs and live a life like those anime kids (no parents in sight)

>> No.3209324
Quoted by: >>3209351 >>3209361

>>3209318
>Kids will be produced in labs and live a life like those anime kids (no parents in sight)
Haven't you seen how those usually end up?

>> No.3209351

>>3209324
In giant robots, mostly.

>> No.3209361

>>3209324
The girls are either retarded (moeblob) or bipolar (tsundere). The guys are wimps but still get all that pussy.

>> No.3209609

I don't know what the future will hold but I'm glad I'll die before the worst of it.
If you think genetic engineering and eugenics and stuff will happen and be geared towards smarter people, why is it that every time there's a budget crisis the schools are on the chopping block first?

A world rendered uninhabitable thanks to global warming would be a mercy kill for a species headed towards a technological dystopia anyway.

>> No.3209624

gay couples will adopt test tube babies.

>> No.3209674
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3209674
Quoted by: >>3209721 >>3209908

A place you wont live long enough to see. And then we will invent (release) immortality for your great grand children only then onward.

For the future offsprings not for any of you!

>> No.3209692
Quoted by: >>3209699

Almost invariably dystopian, because conservatives (and other people who are too stupid to deserve to live) refuse to address anthropogenic climate change.

>> No.3209699
Quoted by: >>3209738

>>3209692
peak oil > climate change

>> No.3209700

It is retarded to assume that the future will be ANY kind of utopia. If China wins the economic war get ready to learn some Mandarin.

Cold fusion or any other viable fusion tech is NOT going to happen as far as we understand. Which means that in about 100 years the graph of progress will have gone sufficiently downhill too start another dark age.

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>>3209674
Fuck the Illuminati.

>> No.3209738

>>3209699
Peak oil would be a fucking trivial problem if we decided to be reasonable as a species and make use of the giant nuclear power plant that rises in the sky every fucking morning. We're already making impressive headway into battery technology so there really is no good reason not to pursue solar power (other than the act that it would cut into oil profits, of course).

>> No.3209758

MALTHUSIAN CORRECTION

DIE-OFF

>> No.3209772

It will be exactly like it is now only with jetpacks, and much bigger televisions.

>> No.3209783

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Socialism%3F if only humanity (especially america) would just switch to Socialism.

>> No.3209796

>>3209783
thanks for that link

>> No.3209800
Quoted by: >>3209803

>>3209783
Socialism sucks a big meaty cock

>> No.3209803
Quoted by: >>3209821 >>3209822

>>3209800
Why?

>> No.3209806

>>3209783
>advocate socialism
>tripfag as "illuminati"
I see what you did there...

>> No.3209809

>>3209783
Albert Einstein knew what he was talking about!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2011/06/dalai-lama-china-marx-communism/1 'I'm a Marxist,' Dalai Lama tells Chinese students. Even the Dalai Lama is getting on board!

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3209820
Quoted by: >>3209835

>>3209783

>Einstein
>Knows anything about social policy

>> No.3209821

>>3209803
Socialists have no appreciation for the complexities of production, socialism has no systematic mechanisms that ensure efficiency, and they lose out on the information of the man on the street.

>> No.3209822
Quoted by: >>3209865

>>3209803
Because under present conditions, a planned economy *can't* work.

Ambition, greed, and basic self-interest are fundamentally hardwired into the human mind. For socialism/planned economies to work, you'd have to be able to take humans entirely out of leadership roles in society. Unless we can create some sort of omniscient benevolent computer intelligence to run society, socialism will always lead to massive systemic corruption.

Not to mention that if everyone's needs are guaranteed to be met, many people would not have a motivation to work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem

>> No.3209835
Quoted by: >>3209838

>>3209820
The first candidate to be The President of Israel.
Albert Einstein, a Jew but not an Israeli citizen, was offered the presidency in 1952 but turned it down, stating "I am deeply moved by the offer from our State of Israel, and at once saddened and ashamed that I cannot accept it."

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3209838
Quoted by: >>3209848

>>3209835

My statement still stands.

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>>3209838
>>3209838
& then?

>> No.3209865
Quoted by: >>3209868 >>3209872

>>3209822
Bullshit. Socialism can incorporate capitalistic principles and still function. Pure communism and pure capitalism are both death sentences to a society, as history has shown repeatedly.

>> No.3209868
Quoted by: >>3209887

>>3209865
It really is adorable how Americans are stupid enough to think socialism=communism.

>> No.3209872
Quoted by: >>3209902

>>3209865

Shown what? give some examples.

>> No.3209887

>>3209868
the precise academic definition of socialism is what people commonly call communism, when most people throw around socialism they are trying to convey social democracy, a common form of mixed economy.

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3209888
Quoted by: >>3209891

I don't get all these posts. My country is socialist but we still have a capitalistic economy. I'm not seeing any gulags around here.

A lot of services are state-owned simply because most of the population lives in rural areas, and it would never be profitable for a corporation to, say, sell internet access there.

>> No.3209891
Quoted by: >>3209905

>>3209888
>My country is socialist
no

>> No.3209902
Quoted by: >>3209917 >>3209922

>>3209872
Concentration of welth amid a very slim percentage of the population has always, ALWAYS destroyed every single empire since time began. Unregulated capitalism allows for the abuse of the system, as is happening right now in America. It's what is primarily responsible for the alarming wealth disparity and the economic recession hanging on the precipise of becoming a recession. Communism, as practiced by the Soviet Union and several other countries, has no effective mechanism of growing wealth anywhere beyond a few very specific sectors.

>> No.3209905
Quoted by: >>3209924

>>3209891
actually yes, libtards don't know what socialism is

>> No.3209906

>>3209783
you evil satanic bastards. Jesus will one day put a end to all of you.

>> No.3209908

>>3209674
What's that image from?

>> No.3209917
Quoted by: >>3209939

>>3209902
If unregulated capitalism is responsible for abuses of the system, why are the abuses occurring in the most regulated sector of the economy (finance)? Government "regulation" of business is an agent for concentrated wealth.

>> No.3209922

>>3209902

The "abuse of the system" you're suffering to is conservatism, not free market mechanics. And if you're going to argue that its "unfair" that some people have more than others, i would like for you to justify that claim.

>> No.3209924

>>3209905
Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

You don't know what you're talking about.
Your country is one of these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

>> No.3209939
Quoted by: >>3209971

>>3209917

Finance sector was greatly deregulated since the 80s. They took all safeguards put there after the last recession off. The Clinton government is also responsible by mandating mortgage access for the poor, but deregulation of the finance sector is too. So you cannot say only Gov or only private sector caused the recession. Both combined are responsible.

The finance sector needs to be regulated, but not manipulated into creating toxic assets.

>> No.3209943

>overpopulation (which is already a fucking prominent problem if you ask me)
>limited resources
>the poor get poorer and the rich get poorer
>standard of living is degraded to shit
>uncontrollable downward spiral from there
>shitstorm
>shitstorm
>shitstorm

It's cool if you're optimistic about the future but I honestly don't see shit going over all too well.

>> No.3209948

super realistic porn simulators

>> No.3209971

>>3209939

"An important trend involved raising rates paid on savings to lure deposits, a practice that resulted in periodic rate wars between thrifts and even commercial banks. These wars became so severe that in 1966 the United States Congress took the highly unusual move of setting limits on savings rates for both commercial banks and S&Ls. From 1966 to 1979, the enactment of rate controls presented thrifts with a number of unprecedented challenges, chief of which was finding ways to continue to expand in an economy characterized by slow growth, high interest rates and inflation. These conditions, which came to be known as stagflation, wreaked havoc with thrift finances for a variety of reasons. Because regulators controlled the rates thrifts could pay on savings, when interest rates rose depositors often withdrew their funds and placed them in accounts that earned market rates, a process known as disintermediation. At the same time, rising rates and a slow growth economy made it harder for people to qualify for mortgages that in turn limited the ability to generate income."

hmmm

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Quoted by: >>3209974

nazi socialist porn simulators. with real alligator smells!

>> No.3209974

>>3209972
you seem to have the japanese/asian setting on atm. nice choice! oo la la

>> No.3210163

>>3205440
>Once we are mining other planets and asteroids Im pretty sure we will have close to infinite resources.

translation:

>I'm a fat virgin with a neckbeard, legos, major assburger's and a dream of a Star Trek fantasy world.

>> No.3210179

>>3205419

Implying sophisticated technology can exist in a society thrown back into poverty.

>> No.3210484
Quoted by: >>3210621

Why is everyone so pessimistic about the future?

Why does every thread turn into socialism vs. capitalism?

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3210621
Quoted by: >>3210628

>>3210484
>Why is everyone so pessimistic about the future?
It's their way of dealing with the fact that we were all born too soon to witness the awesomeness of the future.

>> No.3210628

>>3210621
If only that was true, man.

>> No.3210721
Quoted by: >>3210844

Isn't anyone here familiar with the exponential growth of technology? Sure there is a chance that technology will grow faster than our control over it, thus bringing about our demise, but in our lifetime, we are likely to see some quite fantastical things.

>> No.3210844
Quoted by: >>3210892

>>3210721
>Isn't anyone here familiar with the exponential growth of technology?
Why do people choose to treat Moore's law like it's a natural law? It's non-predictive.

>> No.3210892
Quoted by: >>3210907

>>3210844

It's not exactly a law, but it is a fairly consistent property of technological/scientific development. It usually holds until we reach (or approach) a real, physical barrier.

It seems to me that people find it hard to believe that technology can continue to grow this way, and project false physical barriers onto technological growth.

>> No.3210894
Quoted by: >>3210924

The future is intangible, it hasn't happened yet. So why worry about something that doesnt even exist when you could be enjoying life now?

>> No.3210907
Quoted by: >>3210930

>>3210892
>project false physical barriers
Like what? For example, the barriers we're hitting now with processors are pretty damn real.

>> No.3210924

>>3210894
Because, at a civilization level, the "better safe than sorry" principle really works.

>> No.3210930
Quoted by: >>3210997

>>3210907

True enough, but usually then we experience a paradigm shift, such as the use of multi-processors now.

>> No.3210966

I'm not pessimist, I'm just not optimist, I'm sorry magical powers such as warp travel aren't possible, nanotechnology and genetic modification will continue to advance and we might stumble across some new fields that we don't know about now but I'm not going to believe you can shit diamonds.

>> No.3210997
Quoted by: >>3211061

>>3210930
So far we've seen these paradigm shifts happen, yes, but my point is that it doesn't guarantee they'll keep on happening. It's not like a scientific experiment that has predictive power because each time such a shift occurred it was under wildly different conditions. In the end expecting future exponential growth of technology is a belief, which is fine, and something all humans have, but you should threat it like one.

>> No.3211061

>>3210997

Absolutely. I was just remarking that most people here seem to have the opposite belief, and wondering why.

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