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I am sure /sci/ is aware what a post scarcity society is. When humanity reaches a stage where almost all sources can be considered unlimited, what will happen to society? In the present day, society and humanity strives upon becoming better by earning money to buy resources. If resources are unlimited, then where is the motivation to go out and be productive to advance society further? Will society stagnate? Will we even reach this stage? What are your opinions?

tl;dr life after post-scarcity society?

>> No.3243018
Quoted by: >>3243037

Unlimited?

That would mean infinite resources. We would drown in oil.

>> No.3243024

Unlimited ressources won't prevent people from trying to appropriate the rights to the said ressources.

>> No.3243025
Quoted by: >>3243041

Post-scarcity society sounds very nice!

Too bad it seems damn near impossible to achieve.

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3243035

>Post-Scarcity

>> No.3243037

>>3243018
touche anon, touche

>> No.3243041

>>3243025

>>Too bad it seems damn near impossible to achieve.

You're a lot closer than you think. By 2011, most of the goods in your home would have never been touched by human hands during the production process.

To OP: It's not as different as you might be thinking. People work, but for different reasons. And the epidemic of lazy fatasses does eventually plateau. Status and extra income motivates enough of the population to work that the invalids don't break the system.

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3243046
Quoted by: >>3243133

>Will society stagnate?
No since people will be motivated by personal interest and possibly superior aptitude and not by just making a buck

>Will we even reach this stage?
sure why not?

>What are your opinions?
not in my lifetime, unless of course the singularity happens relatively soon

>> No.3243048

I doubt that will EVER happen, but if it did, it would probably be something along the lines of what happened in The Time Machine.

Humanity would laze around all day, stagnate, and eventually become weak. Until a species that had NOT reached "post scarcity" would come along, be stronger, and fuck shit up.

>> No.3243075

Think of it like this OP, the cavemen worked constantly for food and water and shelter. Now we have evolved t work for currency to acquire luxuries. After post-scarcity, we will just work for something else to make us "top of the ladder", whatever that may be (too far ahead to predict)

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3243079
Quoted by: >>3243133

Ok, I can't believe I'm going to make a serious response to a post-scarcity/Singularity/pie-in-the-sky thread, but...

Before considering life *after* post-scarcity, you should consider the radical changes that would occur to life before. Specifically, you need to ask yourself if as we go along the logical development of new technologies our normal social organizations and traditional culture could possibly go unchanged throughout.

The obvious answer is no. So by the time we're able to see anything like 'post-scarcity' our cultural institutions are going to have seen upheavals which render our naive picture of what such a society might look like utterly comical.

>> No.3243085

two things:

a) there are still non-material things we can seek to achieve

b) post-scarcity is not a permanent state, meaning there will always be room for improvement

>> No.3243113
Quoted by: >>3243131

Everyone will be provided certain basic rights and privileges. Food, shelter, internet, ect. Survival will be guaranteed, so there will be more apathetic basement-dwelling manchildren than ever - but that's okay. Artificial motivation will be implemented, and this will help to drive the new 'economy.' Think Starship Troopers, where additional rights (citizenship, child permits, ect) are given to those that serve the government and show that they're responsible members of society.

Of course, that's assuming that ALL work is optional, which would only be the case if labor is also free and limitless and capable of doing anything that a human can do (service, engineering, problem solving, ect). Otherwise, we'd probably just end up with a more extreme version of what's going on today - fewer jobs which are more competitive and therefore require more schooling to obtain. The class divide would widen, the most determined and ambitious people would take all the jobs/rights/money, progress would continue, and (since we're expendable) the rest of us would be more-or-less at their mercy.

>> No.3243124

If we can automate the production of all goods out of common elements like silicon, iron etc. then the cost of most products will be negligible or very cheap. At this point people will probably just pursue their hobbies and interests as if they reached early retirement. A large surplus of human art and various creations will likely ensue.

If the post-scarcity economy is triggered by AI, then creativity and art will be in even greater abundance as well. After a time, maybe people will get bored after seeing everything and invent new ways to perceive, experience or just delete their memory so everything is new again.

>> No.3243131

>>3243113
>Otherwise, we'd probably just end up with a more extreme version of what's going on today - fewer jobs which are more competitive and therefore require more schooling to obtain. The class divide would widen, the most determined and ambitious people would take all the jobs/rights/money, progress would continue, and (since we're expendable) the rest of us would be more-or-less at their mercy.

you don't know anything about post-scarcity, do you?

>> No.3243133

>>3243079
>>3243046
There we go, two posts equating post-scarcity with the singularity.

Let's review.
The singularity is the belief that technological progression is ever accelerating, and like an ever accelerating mass it would reach point of "singularity", which would be instant technology on demand. So any technology you can imagine you can have, it makes itself for you.

Scarcity is the present situation with resources. It can mean not enough to go around, or only enough for a limited time and work must be done to keep the resources flowing. Post-scarcity would be when we have worked past that and secured enough resources that various resource monitoring systems become obsolete.

Post-singularity would allow you to have post scarcity by dint of post-singularity being magic and giving you everything. Post scarcity could happen with something as simple as automated food production and automated construction becoming more hands off so that necessities are no longer a concern.

One is possible through sweat and toil. The other is magic bullshit that nerds think they only have to wait for.

>> No.3243278

This would have to occur after (depending on if) we develop self-replicating technologies. The time period for that is most likely several hundred years in the future, where automatons are doing the actual work anyway.

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